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Football Acca Tipsteris a service from the Betting Gods tipster platform and – as the name suggests – they provide accumulator bets (accas) on the footy.
They tip in a variety of leagues across Europe and most of the accas are doubles and trebles. A number of different markets are used including match odds, over/under, BTTS, double and chance and more.
We followed the service for a full seven months to get a good picture of its performance. It got off to a very rough start, going over 80 points down at one stage but fought back well to finish 6 points up in the end.
Staking varies between 2 and 5 points, with 3.4 being the average, so that may have inflated the loss made early on in the trial.
However, overall the service has ended up pretty much back where it started, so we feel only a NEUTRAL rating is fair in this instance.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: The tips are normally sent out in the morning of the matches giving plenty of time to get the bets on. With an average of 1-2 bets per day following the service isn’t too onerous by any means.
Availability of prices: Prices are freely available and there should be no problem matching the advised prices.
Strike rate: The strike rate for the trial was 53% which is pretty decent and means lots of winning accas.
Advised Betting Bank: A 200 point bank is recommended for following the service which seems a reasonable amount to us and even with the early losses was never in jeopardy.
Subscription costs: The subscription costs are £1.99 for the first 15 days then£27/month.
There is a full money-back guarantee for the first 30 days.
OVERALL VERDICT: NEUTRAL
Accumulators are a popular form of betting and Football Acca Tipster focuses on backing doubles and trebles in major football matches.
It got off to rocky start to our trial, going over 80 points down at one stage but bounced back well to finish just in profit.
Overall given it finished just 6 points up in the end it receives a NEUTRAL rating from us for the time being.
This has been an impressive fightback as they were over 80 points down at one stage in our trial and many would have given up at that stage but it just shows patience and a long-term outlook can really pay off sometimes.
Hopefully they’ll keep it going and push on now to make some nice profits by the end of our trial.
If they continue the form of the last couple of months then they should manage to get back into profit for our trial, which would be good to see.
The nice thing about the service is that even though they are doing accas, the strike rate is still high at over 48%. Just need to push that up a little higher and then they’ll be back in the black.
We have decided to extend the review from 3 months to 6 months to give them a chance to show their form once the main leagues kick off again as obviously over the last few months it has just been the Summer leagues which tend to be more tricky.
So let’s see if they can get into profit once the action get underway in a couple of weeks.
We had expressed skepticism at the outset that anyone could make a consistent profit from backing accumulators and so far that is being borne out.
However, it is still early days with only a month gone in our trial so we shouldn’t give up hope yet. Let’s see if they can turn things around over the remainder of our trial.
Regular followers of the site will know we are normally skeptical about accumulator betting. Basically it is generally considered the “mugs” style of betting as you are normally just multiplying the bookies’ edge over you, meaning you are taking terrible value on your bets.
Hence why you see so many bookies offering acca-based bonuses to the unsuspecting punter – bookies love accas because they make so much money from them.
However, in theory this idea could be turned on its head, if – and it’s a big if – you were able to find consistent value on your bets.
Then by putting them in accumulators you would actually be able to multiply your edge over the bookies.
To do this consistently would be quite a feat but the tipster we are looking at today appears to have found a way to make accumulator betting profitable – and that is Football Acca Tipster from the reputable Betting Gods platform.
They have made over £700 to £10 stakes since last October and that has been achieved with a strike rate of 25%.
Even though they bet on accumulators, the average odds are just over 2.0 and a good number of the bets are doubles.
The results have been quite up and down so far, but they have had a good May so that is encouraging at least.
We have actually been receiving the tips since 17th April so will record results from then.
Please check back here for updates on how the review how is going.
UPDATE 25.09.19 – Please note that due to other commitments the tipster operating this service has decided to discontinue running Football Hawk. Our review is therefore terminated.
They had a nice winner on Friday with a double at over 8/1 so hopefully that is a sign of things to come and they can get things moving forward over the next month.
It’s been a little up and down so far, with things going well early as they went 29 points up at one stage, before falling back, picking up again and then dropping back again more recently.
With the football season about to get underway (just 9 days to go!) hopefully things will pick up again and we’ll see some steady profits from the Hawk.
Today we are taking a look at a new football service from the Tipstrr platform called Football Hawk.
The idea behind the service is that they study the last six games of teams across multiple leagues and competitions and look for the trends and patterns from those games, with the previous results of the past games between teams if relatively recent (i.e. that season) also taken into account. Injury news is also considered. They then identify the right betting markets to maximise value and find the most profitable angles to attack.
The approach certainly seems to be working well with a profit of over £1,000 made so far to £10 stakes since starting up in March.
Encouragingly, whilst every month so far has been profitable, each month has actually been more profitable than the last, so maybe they are hitting their stride and building momentum.
The ROI so far has been exceptionally high for a footy service at over 34% and the strike rate has also been very good at 43%.
Bets come in a variety of markets including match odds, HT/FT, BTS, draw no bet and others. As we are obviously in the Summer break between seasons for the main European leagues at the moment most of the recent tips have been in the Euro U21s, Copa America, African Cup of Nations and so on.
There have been some decent priced winners so far including one at 22.0, so it seems they have an eye for value which could prove very useful in the long run.
As ever though let’s see how they get on under live trial conditions before making any judgments.
We have been receiving tips since 17th June so will record results from then. Updates on how the review is going will be published here.
Top Football Tipster is a tipster from the Betting Gods platform who provides both back and lay bets in football. This should not be confused with topfootballtipster.com, which is a completely separate service.
The Top Football Tipster from Betting Gods tips in a variety of markets including BTS, Double Chance, Over 0.5 FH Goals, HT/FT and many more.
Sometimes the liability of bets is quite high when they are laying, with one bet early on in our trial losing 20 points. More recently though they have reduced the stakes so the lay bets don’t tend to have so much liability on them.
Coming into our trial the results looked very promising with 164 points profit made in the previous four months.
However, this was one of those instances where unfortunately the live trial results didn’t quite match the pre-trial ones and we finished with a 35 point loss after six months.
That was with a sample size of 450 bets so a good number to judge the service on.
In terms of the betting bank, the damage wasn’t too bad by any means with just 18% of the advised bank being lost.
Once you take subscription fees into account however, you would be talking about being quite a bit out of pocket from following the service.
So unfortunately the only verdict there can be is a FAILED rating. As ever we will keep an eye on things and if results pick up we may consider revising our opinion but for the moment it’s not a service we can recommend.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: With an average of 2-3 bets per day it’s a pretty easy service to follow. Tips are normally sent through early in the morning UK time.
Availability of prices: There was good availability of prices and no real issues matching the published results. In some instances you can beat the advised prices by using the exchanges.
Strike rate: The strike rate for the trial was 66%, which is very good but still wasn’t enough to make a profit at the odds tipped at unfortunately.
Advised Betting Bank: A 200 point bank is recommended when following the service, which seems more than adequate to us.
Subscription costs: Subscription costs are reasonable at £1.99 for the first 15 days then £27 per month.
OVERALL VERDICT: FAILED
We ran an extended six month trial of Top Football Tipster and unfortunately it finished with a 35 point loss in the end.
Although that only represented an 18% loss of the recommended betting bank, it was still fairly disappointing and therefore this receives a FAILED rating.
If results improve in future then of course it may be possible to revise our rating so we will keep an eye on things to see if that happens.
Recent form has been good, with the last 10 bets all being winners. However they are going to need that kind of form to continue for a while if they are to get into profit by the end of our review in just over a month’s time.
This is a service that showed great promise coming into our trial but unfortunately hasn’t been able to deliver the results under live trial conditions.
Let’s hope they can manage to turn things around soon and that and our next update isn’t one saying the service has been discontinued…
There was a nice 14-bet winning streak recently which was welcome, but because quite a few of the bets are lays with large liabilities, that can be wiped out by a few bets with 4 or 5 point losses.
Although the losses so far haven’t been too bad hopefully they can turn things around soon and get moving into profit.
It is important to note with this service – as we mentioned in our introduction to the review – that some of the bets are lay bets with large liabilities – 20 to 30 points in some cases – so you have to set your staking and starting bank accordingly.
So for most backing services for example you may wager at £10 per point where staking ranges between 1 and 3 points – meaning the worst you can do is lose £30 on one bet.
But if you were to follow that staking here you would be risking £200 or £300 on an unsuccessful lay, thus doing a lot more damage to your bank.
Those large-liability lays don’t come along too often but it is worth bearing this in mind if following the service.
Today we are starting a trial of a new football service from Betting Gods called Top Football Tipster.
This is an interesting service in that it provides both back and lay bets in football, which is an approach we haven’t seen too often.
So for example you may got a tip to lay a side for 2 points at 5.0, which risks a liability of 8 points if that team goes on to win. Other bets are simple win bets or bets in other markets like BTTS, handicaps and over/unders.
The approach seems to be working very well so far, with a profit in each of the five months the service has been operating and an overall profit of 164 points.
The return on investment is a decent 9% while the strike rate is high at over 72%.
With there being lay bets the recommended betting bank is higher than most football services at 200 points, but even so with the impressive results the bank has grown by over 80% since September.
Bets come in a variety of leagues but most of them are in the top European leagues so getting bets matched at advised odds shouldn’t be too much of a problem, but we will look into that further during the review.
So all in all this looks like a promising new football tipster, although it is still early days. We are looking forward to seeing how they get on during our trial.
We started receiving tips on 24th January so will record results from then and will update results here regularly during the review so you can see how things are progressing.
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——–PLEASE NOTE: The football trading webinars are no longer running. The team behind them have decided instead to focus on APT, which is a platform where you can automatically copy the trades of professional traders. You can read more about it here.————–
With the main football season now over it’s time to wrap up our review of the Football Trading Webinars we have been following for the last six months.
The webinars were provided by two professional traders, Kev and Steve, with the assistance of their colleague David. Kev is the main trader who runs the strategies and trades live with his screen shared with viewers, whilst Steve is an expert on the markets and how they move.
At first we found the webinars quite difficult to follow and it took us a few of them to grasp what the trades were all about and what they were aiming to achieve in different scenarios. Eventually we got the hang of it though and after you grasp the trading strategies the whole thing becomes a lot easier to follow.
Kev uses trading software (e.g. Geeks Toy), so what you see on the webinar is his live trading ladders with Geeks Toy. You don’t have to use trading software to copy Kev’s trades and for most of them we were able to use Betfair’s normal website quite successfully, but it is recommended you use trading software.
Most of the trades involved the over/under markets but some also incorporated other markets such as the HT/FT and HT score markets as more trading strategies were introduced.
Over the course of the trial they made just shy of £2,000 profit on the webinars, which is excellent going indeed.
They also offered golf trading via the Telegram messenger app, which made a healthy £466 profit during our trial and NFL trading that made £1,006 profit. Those were separate services at an extra cost however.
In addition there were also daily e-mails with tips for bets and trades across the European leagues, although we weren’t able to proof those selections so can’t comment on the results.
On the basis of our trial we definitely award this a PASSED rating and would say it is the best football trading service we have come across to date.
New Auto-Trading Software
The good news however is that the team behind the webinars are currently beta-testing a completely new form of trading via some auto-trading software.
What this will do is copy the trades of the professional traders automatically to your Betfair account so you don’t have to do anything other than set the software up and let it run. This obviously removes the need to spend hours following the webinars and understanding the strategies yourself.
We have seen this kind of thing before on the forex markets (and indeed are currently testing one such trade-copier with TIG Trading) but have yet to see a trade copier for Betfair so this would be a great innovation if it works.
The software is still in beta-testing mode but if you would be interested in trying it out, they currently have a paper-trade mode that allows you to see how it works and what kind of profit it can deliver without risking any money, so please let us know if you are interested in that by e-mailing us at info@honestbettingreviews.com
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: As discussed above, the webinars are initially quite difficult to follow and introductory sessions for new members as well as some clarity about what exactly they are doing at each point of the trades we believe would assist people in understanding.
Availability of prices: As you can see the live screens and follow the trades on Betfair there is no real issue in obtaining the prices. Occasionally Kev may execute a trade you miss just before the market is suspended, but this can work both ways so should even out overall.
Strike rate: An impressive 68% of the webinars were profitable, which is testament to the quality of the trading.
Advised Betting Bank: We used a £2,000 bank for the trial which we think should be sufficient given the strike rate. Although there were a couple of webinars which lost £150-£200, those were few and far between and losses were quickly recovered each time.
Subscription costs: The subscription costs are fairly reasonable given the results achieved with the first 14 days free followed by £69.99/month.
OVERALL VERDICT: PASSED
The Football Trading Webinars produced just shy of £2,000 profit during our trial, which was excellent going. Their golf and NFL trading also delivered excellent profits of nearly £1,500 combined.
The webinars were a little difficult to follow at first but we think with a little bit of work those issues can be addressed and those who put in the effort will be richly rewarded
Update 10.10.19 – The webinars will not be in operation for the 2019/20 season as all focus has shifted to Auto Pro Trader, which is now operating a waiting list due to high demand. If you would like to join the waiting list, please drop us a line at info@honestbettingreviews.com
The golf also continues to perform very well, with another £127 profit made since our last update and £420 profit generated overall.
And as mentioned previously, the NFL season finished with over £1,000 profit.
So on the one hand we can say the results have been superb and our own trading has improved immensely from following the service, but on the other hand we know that a number of you have tried to follow the webinars and found it very difficult and confusing.
Some improvements have been made recently on that front, with new webinar software “Zoom” making it much easier to see the live trading screens, which were very small on the previous software.
However, even with the new software it can be very difficult for newbies to follow what is going on and we think the service would benefit greatly from much clearer explanations of the trades, what they are aiming to achieve and how the match will be traded under different scenarios. For someone new joining a webinar the whole thing can seem incomprehensible.
They are planning to release a new piece of software called Auto Pro Trader which will work a bit like a trade copier and mean you don’t need to follow along live, the software will automatically copy the trades for you on Betfair.
That is still being worked on so we will have to wait and see how well it works, but in the meantime those who have managed to stick with it and figure out the live webinars have done very well.
if you would like to check the service out, they are currently offering a 14-day free trial so if you are interested, please drop us an e-mail at info@honestbettingreviews.com and we will send you further details.
The profits have continued to accumulate for the Football Trading Webinars we have been following, with another £253 profit made since our last update at the end of January.
That means we are now £1,812 up for the trial overall from following the live football trading.
There are also Golf and NFL live trading services available and you can see results for those in the other tabs at the bottom of our spreadsheet.
The Golf trading service is £293 up for our trial overall and the NFL trading service finished the season with a profit of £1,006.
Please note the Golf and NFL services are now available as separate services to the football, although there are discounts available for signing up to multiple services.
In summary then they have made very impressive profits and although the football has been a little up and down recently, the results for our trial overall are still excellent and this is now a solid part of our portfolio.
If you want to check any of the services out then please drop us an e-mail at info@honestbettingreviews.com and we will send you further details.
The results for the Live Football Trading service have been fantastic so far, with a profit of £1,559 made since we started following the footy trading advice back in November.
The trading comes in two forms primarily – live football webinars for some matches and via the Telegram messenger app for others.
It takes a little bit of understanding to follow the trading but once you have seen a couple of webinars you should get the hang of it. Mostly the trades revolve around the over/under and correct score markets. You can use trading software for the trading but it’s not essential – everything can be done on the Betfair website with ease.
We have really been blown away with the quality of this service and the profits generated to date, not just on football but also on the NFL with £1091 profit made so far.
Golf trading is just getting going too and also looks promising (you can see the results for the NFL and golf via the tabs at the bottom of our results spreadsheet).
There are so few good trading services out there and even fewer that actually allow you to follow along with a professional trader like you can here. We feel like this is something of a revelation not just in itself but from what you can learn to improve your own trading (if you do any of course).
If you want to check the service out then please drop us an e-mail at info@honestbettingreviews.com as joining is by invite only at the moment.
We understand a website is coming soon so will update this page when that becomes available.
If you’ve been following the site lately you may have seen our review ofRugby Trading Webinars, which have been going very well.
The same team behind those webinars have also been providing football trading webinars for a few months now.
They are a team of professional traders and software developers, one of whom provides the Rugby Trading Webinars and another who does the football.
We have been following the football trading webinars for over a month now and have been very impressed so wanted to set up a formal review of the service.
Essentially the way it works is that when you sign up, you get welcome documents explaining the trading strategies and general info on how to trade.
There is then a schedule for the week setting out which matches will be traded by live webinar. There are also matches traded by messenger app and live shout-outs.
On the day of a live webinar you get a match preview setting out the professional trader’s thoughts on the game and the strategy he will be trading.
You then have the live webinar itself in which you can see his live trading screen and he talks through the trades he is making.
It can seem a little complicated at first but after following a couple of the webinars you should get a pretty good idea of how it works.
Trading via webinar is a new approach to trading – for us at least – and it’s a great way to follow along and learn how a professional trades.
There is currently no website for the service but when ones become available we will update this page.
In the meantime, if you are interested in joining then please send an e-mail to info@honestbettingreviews.com mentioning that you are interested in joining the Football Trading Webinars and we will forward the details on to you.
We started following the webinars in late October so will list results from then. We will provide a results update shortly so you can see exactly how things have gone since we signed up.
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After not receiving any selections from this service for some months, despite chasing it up, we have no choice but to discontinue our review.
We are not sure if the service is still active, but we note that results on the website have not been updated for some months either.
The service looked promising, but there were issues with obtaining prices as often there would only be one bookie (Bet365) offering odds as the markets bet in were very niche.
Anyway, as we say there is nothing more we can do at this stage other than to discontinue our review given the circumstances.
With the busy football schedule coming up over the festive season there should be plenty of action so hopefully that will get things moving in the right direction again.
A couple of things to note with this service – firstly, as the markets are very specialist, not many of the bookies offer them. Most of the bets are with Bet365, with them sometimes being available with Ladbrokes and William Hill as well.
Secondly, with certain bets it’s best to wait until the teams are announced so you know the player in question will be starting the match.
So just a couple of things to be aware of if you are thinking of signing up, but overall this has been performing well and looking like a promising service.
They are now really starting to shift into high gear and replicate the excellent results of their sister service Sports Spread Betting, with the last five bets all having won and similar runs like that throughout September.
Let’s hope they can keep that up throughout October and over the long term.
The new trials are coming thick and fast at the moment and the good news is that we have another promising football service to look at just in time for the start of the football season.
We are particularly excited about this one because it comes from the same team behind another hugely successful service, Sports Spread Betting, which has made over 3,000 points profit since starting up last August.
Whilst that service focuses on spread betting (as the name suggests) this new service uses fixed odds betting, which most people are more familiar with, and is called Player Profits.
And whilst Sports Spread Betting provides tips across a variety of sports, Player Profits will focus exclusively on football.
They have a massive database of Premier League and European player statistics that they will use to find an edge over the bookmakers.
These days the bookies offer markets on just about every possible facet of the game you could possibly think of, which provides excellent opportunities for those prepared to put in the time to analyse the stats.
That is exactly what Max who runs the service will be doing and he will be focusing on the following niche markets:-
– Player passes
– player shots
– player shots on target
– player tackles
– player assists
– yellow cards
– goals
So perhaps some markets you haven’t bet on before there but should be avenues for profit with not many people focusing on them.
A bank of 50 points is recommended for following the service and each selection will be graded 1-3 points.
With the success of Sports Spread Betting we are very hopeful for this service and it would be great if it could prove as profitable.
They are targeting between 20 and 50 points profit per month on average, which based on the results of the spread betting service should not be out of the realms of possibility.
We will kick off our review today then and will aim to run a standard three month trial, although may extend it depending on how things go. So look out here for regular updates.
Bank Builder is a football betting strategy from the team behind the popular Football Advisor service. It provides tips on short-odds favourites across Europe, such as Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern Munch and Man City etc.
Bank Builder has changed its modus operandi quite a bit since we started our trial, but for the purposes of this review we stuck to the strategy set out at the start, which was to bet 33% of the bank on each selection.
The advised approach is to start with a set amount for each “cycle” – which was $1,000 for us – and to start a new cycle each time the bank doubles, starting again at $1,000.
Things started off very well with the initial bank doubling in just two weeks.
Sadly though that was where the good news ended. From then on it was a real struggle and our review finished with the bank for the second cycle almost gone, despite adding an additional $500 half way through, as advised by them.
Overall we finished $496 down, which was obviously a pretty bad loss and represented nearly half of our original bank.
The top sides in Europe such as Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Barcelona struggled this season – particularly in the first half of the season – which hit the results quite hard.
As stated a few times during the review however, our main concern was that the staking was far too aggressive with 33% of the bank being risked on each selection.
It was always set up for a fall to risk that much of your bank on each bet, no matter how confident you might be in the selection.
So really the question is how much of this system’s failure was down to the staking and how much down to the actual picks?
Well, at level stakes it would have lost approximately 4 points, which although disappointing would not have been the end of the world.
In essence then the main problem here was the staking system which made the results much worse than they otherwise would have been.
We can see some merit in backing strong favourites in football matches and it has worked well elsewhere (see Banker Betsfor example). Plus there are some stats to suggest there is value in short-odds favourites, primarily because most punters don’t like backing them.
All in all though, whichever way you look at it this had a very rough trial with a big loss made and the only realistic outcome is a FAILED rating.
It’s back to the drawing board with this one and we note they are looking at other iterations of the system with more sensible staking so we will keep an eye on how those develop.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: With an average of one bet per day there isn’t too much work involved in following the service, although of course most tips are sent out at weekends when there is more footy.
Availability of prices: There were no problems at all in obtaining the advised prices, with huge liquidity on Betfair for the kind of teams they back.
Strike rate: The strike rate for the trial was 79%, which on the face of it seems good but would have needed to be quite a bit higher to turn a profit at average odds of 1.23.
Advised Betting Bank: As discussed above, it wasn’t so much the advised betting bank that was the problem but rather the stake advised per bet.
Subscription costs: The subscription costs are high at £47/month, £112/quarter or £450/year.
OVERALL VERDICT: FAILED
Things went badly wrong for Bank Builder with a loss of $496 made from an initial starting bank of $1,000 and that means it’s a FAILED rating from us unfortunately.
The main problem was the staking was far too high but even with level staking it would have made a loss so it’s back to the drawing board with this one we’re afraid.
Bank Builder – Results Update
5th February 2019
Sadly we are pretty much bust now on Cycle 2 of Bank Builder, with just $29 left from a starting bank of $1,000 and with another $500 thrown in.
In terms of the recent results, they have lost another $51 since our last update a month ago and are now $499 down for the trial overall.
So all in all it looks like this one is heading for the failed pile when we wrap up our review shortly.
In essence we think there is potentially value in backing strong favourites in football, but this season just hasn’t worked out for the big teams in Europe.
Plus we think the staking approach of wagering 33% of the bank on each selection is far too high.
As we say we’ll be back soon to finalise our review but it looks like the writing’s on the wall for this one unfortunately.
It will take something pretty incredible to rebuild the bank here after the losses suffered and also quite a bit of time.
The over/under service (results on second tab of spreadsheet) has also had a tough run lately, losing $116 since our last update and is now $55 down for our trial overall.
The problem with an approach like the one used for the over/unders service is that when you are backing at odds of around 1.06, one or two losses can wipe out a lot of previous wins and that is what’s happened recently.
The brutal run continues for Bank Builder, with a further $316 lost since our last update.
That means for Cycle 2 they are now $1455 down, which is a pretty hefty drawdown to say the least. For Cycle 1 they made $972 profit, which means for the trial overall they are $483 down.
This is sadly a case where pretty much everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. Their chosen strategy – of backing supposed “bankers” in the top leagues – has coincided with one of the worst runs of form in recent memory for teams like Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Barcelona.
They have recently decided to scrap Cycle 2 and commence a new Cycle, which is OK if you joined right at the start of Cycle 1 and made some decent profits there, but for those who joined for Cycle 2 the bank will be nearly all gone, so it is a question of whether you have the funds (and the patience) to try another cycle.
They have also added a new strategy of backing in over/under markets, which we have included in a second tab on the results spreadsheet. That strategy is currently $61 up.
All in all this has been a trial that started off with great hope and excitement but has been rather blown to pieces over the last couple of months.
We had concerns the staking was far too aggressive at 33% of the bank for each selection and that has been borne out. Staking at 10% or even 5% may have been more appropriate and avoided the huge drawdowns. That is the approach they went for however and whilst it looks great when things go well, we have seen what happens when things go the other way.
Now of course you may be wondering how they are still going in Cycle 2 if their starting bank is $1,000 and they are $1,141 down for the Cycle.
Well, on 26th September they put in an extra $500 to the bank – a so-called “Wild Card” – to help keep things going.
Sadly it hasn’t helped much and either way most of your bank for Cycle 2 would be gone, whether you put in that extra $500 or not. They use a fixed percentage of the bank each time, so in theory the bank can never be wiped out, but if it ends up getting too small then realistically the chances of building it back up to a profit become pretty remote.
It is worth mentioning that this recent downturn has coincided with one of the worst runs of form for the top teams you could imagine. It is difficult to remember a time when Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich all struggled so badly at the same time – and those are the kind of teams they bet on.
You could question of course the merits of still backing these teams at such a time, particularly Real Madrid who have been really poor so far this season after losing Christiano Ronaldo.
In any event though, the position for the trial overall isn’t too bad so you just have to put the recent run down to an exceptionally unlucky set of results and hope that things improve fairly rapidly for them.
The first cycle of football betting system Bank Builder completed successfully with just under $1,000 profit made, but the second one has proved more of a roller coaster ride with some big ups and downs so far.
Currently they are $98 down for Cycle Two, which isn’t actually too bad when you consider some of the results that have against them like Bayern Munich and Barcelona both not winning in the same weekend.
It is worth bearing in mind when looking at the spreadsheet that they injected an extra $500 on 26th September to boost the bank. That is optional but means you can stake slightly more on the bets. The target for the cycle also goes up by $500, so they are now trying to win $1,500.
There have been some surprising results lately so let’s hope that spell is over and they can get the profit cycle back on track now.
What an amazing run it was with 100% of bets winning and it only taking just over two weeks to double the bank. Some services don’t manage that in an entire year!
Just a note to say that the bank actually grew 97% rather than 100% but they felt the risk / reward ratio did not warrant the extra bet just to achieve the few extra pounds to make it exactly 100%. There will be many occasions where they hit 105%, 110% or even 120%, so over time they expect it to average out any way.
It’s been a great start to our trial of Bank Builder, with all the bets having won so far (100% strike rate) and the bank having grown by 76.6% – or $766 if starting with a $1,000 bank.
So they are close to having doubled the bank already in just a few weeks which is impressive stuff.
If all goes to plan then they could double the bank and complete the first Cycle in the next 2-3 bets, after which the next Cycle would start straight away.
Staking is quite aggressive as a portion of the bank, so you want to start with a bank and staking you are comfortable with.
As long as you do that though then this is looking like a top quality system. There are no worries about price availability either because they are betting on the top football leagues where there is masses of liquidity.
Anyway, let’s hope it all goes smoothly and they complete the Cycle in the next few days.
Before the World Cup we highlighted Football Advisor as a service to follow and they went on to rack up a very nice 28 units profit from the tournament.
Well now they are launching a new system for the upcoming football season and it looks very interesting.
It is called Bank Builder and they ran it last year, when it made an overall profit of £4,267.19, across the four active Cycles that they ran.
The idea is to bet on football using a smart staking strategy which firstly protects your betting bank, while allowing for compounding, capitalising on short winning streaks to deliver accelerated growth over short periods of time and to double your betting bank (each one being a “cycle”).
With a full season ahead, they are expecting to run between 6 and 10 cycles over the 2018/19 season.
Already 85% of the members from last year have signed on again this year and they have decided to open a limited number of spots for new members to join them on their rapid bank growth strategy.
Here is what they say you can expect from Bank Builder:
• Aim to double your betting bank • Guaranteed that you will never go bankrupt or lose all of your betting bank • The cost of the service will be between 2% and 20% of your returns • You will win between 80% and 95% of all of your bets
This looks very intriguing and we are going to be running a live trial of it at Honest Betting Reviews to see if it can deliver on those claims.
If you want to check it out for yourself you can do so here – please note the first cycle starts this weekend so there isn’t much time left to sign up.
With the expertise of Football Advisor behind this one we can see it has a chance of doing well, although as always the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
We will aim to run a three month trial, although how long the trial lasts will depend to some extent on the length of the cycles but hopefully we will get through at least one of the cycles within three months.
Anyway, as we say things are due to kick off this weekend so without further ado we will get the trial underway and will report back soon on how things are going.
Ultimate Football Tips is a football tipster from the reputable Betting Gods tipster platform.
It covers a range of bet types such as over/under goals, match outcome, correct score, and Asian handicap and bets come in a variety of leagues around the world – anything from the Premier League to Australia to the UAE.
Staking is pretty sensible at between one and three points, with most bets being just one point.
Coming into our trial results looked very promising with over 100 points profit made so we were keen to do an extended six-month trial to see how they would perform over the longer term.
Unfortunately though at the end of our review period they have finished with a loss of 23 points.
That equated to an ROI of minus 6% and a loss to the advised bank of 31%.
Whilst those figures are disappointing they are no disaster either, although it was quite an up and down trial, as you can see below:
They had actually battled back to even at one stage so a shame to see the subsequent decline but then a good rally towards the end.
So in the end we consider that a NEUTRAL rating is the right verdict for Ultimate Football Tips.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: Good – tips are sent out well in advance of matches and with an average of 1-2 bets per day there isn’t too much work involved in following the service.
Availability of prices: Good – we found the prices were generally available and there was no real downward pressure on prices after the tips were released.
Strike rate: The strike rate for the trial was 44%, which was solid enough but just needs to be a little higher to start turning a profit at the odds tipped at.
Advised Betting Bank: The bank advised for following the service is 75 points, which given that they were nearly 50 points down at one stage seems a little on the low side to us and we think a 100 point bank would be more appropriate.
Subscription costs: The subscription costs are £1 for first 7 days then £39 per quarter or £279 per year.
OVERALL VERDICT: NEUTRAL
Ultimate Football Tips had something of a quiet six month trial with us and finished with a small loss of 23 points.
Whilst that was disappointing it was not a disaster either so we feel a NEUTRAL rating is fair in this instance.
There isn’t long left in our six month trial of this service so we will be wrapping up the review in a couple of weeks. Let’s hope for a burst at the end to take them into profit for the trial overall.
Ultimate Football Tips – Results Update
24th December 2018
More losses unfortunately for Ultimate Football Tips since our last update, with 9 points lost over the last month.
That means they are now 35 points down for our trial overall.
With the international break the action has been a bit sparse but hopefully with a good month or more of interrupted league competition things can get back on track.
The bets come in a wide variety of leagues from around the world so a little bit of searching to find the odds at oddschecker or your bookie are required on occasion, but in reality it’s quite straightforward to follow the service.
Anyway, good to see the recent recovery and we will report back on whether it has continued at the time of our next update.
This could be one of those cases of the trialist, with things going great for them until we start a trial and then it all heads south.
However, the last four bets have all won, so let’s hope that marks the start of a turnaround and by the time of our next update we are reporting some decent profits having been made.
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Ultimate Football Tips – New Review
16th August 2018
The start of the football season is really kicking off with a bang in terms of promising new footy services to trial here at Honest Betting Reviews.
Not only have we recently started trials of two very interesting-looking services – Player Profits and Bank Builder – but now we have a third and it may turn out to be the best of the lot.
This one is called Ultimate Football Tips and it comes from the reputable Betting Gods tipster platform.
It covers a range of bet types such as over/under goals, match outcome, correct score, and Asian handicap, but all with a selective, professional, disciplined approach to betting.
The results so far look excellent, with over 100 points profit made since May 2018, which works out at an average of over £250 profit per month to just £10 stakes.
That has been achieved with a very high return on investment of 33% and a win rate of over 37%, which are very strong metrics for a footy tipster.
Already the bank has more than doubled after just over three months of tipping.
The workload looks very manageable too with an average of just one or two bets per day so far.
Overall then this looks like it could be a top quality football service and we are looking forward to testing it out under live trial conditions.
We started receiving tips on 9th August so we will record results from then onwards.
As usual we will update things here regularly as the trial unfolds so you can see if this one is living up its billing.
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Draw Profits is a football betting service from the man behind the popular Banker Bets service, John Baker.
As the name suggests, Draw Profits bets solely on the draw in football matches. It is a reworked version of Draw Doubles, which we reviewed previously. Whereas Draw Doubles included doubles and single bets, Draw Profits advises just single bets.
As we have said previously here at HBR, there is evidence to suggest value can be found in backing the draw in football, primarily because not many people bet on it so the price is often higher than it should be as this Guardian article details.
That has proved to be the case during for Draw Doubles at least, with a healthy profit of 18 points being made over the course of our six month trial. That came at an ROI of around 3% and a strike rate of 32%.
Results fluctuated around a bit as you can see below, but they were in profit for pretty much the whole trial and had a nice surge towards the end.
However, the raw numbers don’t tell the whole story as prices are quoted to the average odds, not the best available odds. So by shopping around using a site like Oddschecker and the exchanges, it is normally possible to beat the quoted odds. In our experience it was possible to beat the quoted odds by around 10-20% on average, which would make a big difference to your profits.
So really we think this service is worthy of considerable praise for underselling what it has achieved, a pretty rare feat in the world of tipping! Most of the time we complain that services are guilty of quoting prices that are difficult to obtain (or in some cases unobtainable), so it is a refreshing change indeed.
Overall then we are happy to award Draw Profits a PASSED rating after a successful six month trial and its rather understated achievements.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: There are an average of 3 bets per day, so a fairly straightforward service to follow. It shouldn’t take too long to place the bets and the selections are sent out well before kick-off, usually early in the morning.
Availability of prices: As discussed above, you should be able to actually beat the published results by using best prices and exchanges, which is pretty awesome.
Strike rate: The strike rate for the trial was 32%, which is decent when backing draws and shows an edge over the market.
Advised Betting Bank: A 50 point bank is advised for following the singles, which we think is a sensible bank and was never in jeopardy during our trial.
Subscription costs: The subscription costs are reasonable at £6.95 for the first month then £27 per month, £65 per quarter or £207 per year.
OVERALL VERDICT: PASSED
We have been following John Baker’s football betting services since we started this website four years ago and have always been impressed with the results they generate.
Draw Profitsis no exception, having made a very respectable 18 points profit during our extended six month trial.
However, that slightly undersells the service’s record as that is using average odds, whereas with a bit of effort you should be able to easily beat the quoted prices by 10-20% and achieve even better results.
It’s a simple service to follow and with affordable subscription rates we believe Draw Profits certainly merits a PASSED rating. We will continue to monitor it and see if the strong results achieved to date are maintained in the long run.
Just a reminder this is a service that this is a service that focuses on backing the draw in football matches across various leagues around the world. It comes from the same team behind Banker Bets and Value Bets.
The results over the Christmas period were a little crazy, so lets hope in the New Year things settle down and they can get back on track.
As we mentioned previously, it is actually possible to beat the advised prices because they quote at the generally available price so if you shop around using a site like oddschecker and use the exchanges then you can often get better odds than those given for the selections.
We are now just over half way through our six month trial and if things continue in this vein then this looks like it will join the list of our top footy tipsters.
There are quite a variety of leagues used with this service, including quite a lot from South America (where there tend to be a high number of draws) as well as across the European leagues.
It’s very simple to follow – just back the draw in the relevant match and you are done. Doesn’t get much more straightforward than that.
Interestingly when sending the tips they provide the average odds available for the draw rather than the best odds, which is quite unusual for a tipping service. Normally tipsters want their results to be the best they could be so quote the best odds available at the time of the tips.
However, by quoting the average odds that means you could actually beat the official results and so we have also been recording the best odds available. The best odds have produced an extra 2 points of profit, meaning they are 8 points up for our trial so far to best odds.
That doesn’t even include Betfair and the other exchanges, so you may have been able to do even better by using those.
Anyway, whichever odds you are using it has been a good start to our trial and now with the footy season getting going in earnest there should be plenty of action to get involved in.
Well the World Cup has only recently ended but the start of the new football season is just a couple of weeks away.
It does seem a bit strange to be thinking of the football season when most of us are basking in roasting-hot temperatures, but before we know it we will be enjoying the cut and thrust of the Premier League, Champions League and top European leagues once again.
So it’s a good time to be kicking off a new football trial in the form of a system called Draw Profits, although in some ways this isn’t actually a new trial at all.
No, it is actually a re-working of a previous system we reviewed, Draw Doubles.
The problem with Draw Doubles was that it involved backing selections in both singles and doubles.
And whilst the singles did pretty well, the doubles had a bit of a ‘mare and dragged down the results. So they have decided to reform the service and just concentrate on the singles.
This seems like a very sensible approach to us and we had said at the outset of our trial of Draw Doubles that we were worried the results for the doubles could be very volatile, have long losing streaks and not truly represent the quality of the individual selections.
So it proved and we are glad to see that the service will now concentrate on just single bets.
The service therefore is very simple: just back the selected match to finish in a draw and that is it – no trading or hedging needed.
The results for the single bets since the service started are pretty strong, with 34 points profit made at a strike rate of 31% and with 69% bank growth.
As we said in the our original review of Draw Doubles, there is evidence to suggest there is value to be found in backing the draw, primarily because not many people bet on it so the price can be higher than it should be.
Let’s hope that proves to be the case here and we end up with some nice profits.
Anyway, we will start our trial today and incorporate the previous results of the single bets that we have already proofed over the last few months.
This is a re-review of Football Advisor Lays for us, having previously reviewed the service back in 2017 when we gave it a neutral rating after it finished with a profit of 7 points.
This time round we gave it an extended seven month review to really give the service a proper look.
At the end of that extended trial we have finished with a profit of 23 points, which is decent going.
However, it is worth bearing in mind that the total of 23 points combines the results from both the lay wins and the draw lays.
Taking them separately, the lay wins made a profit of 37 points where as the draw lays made a loss of 14 points.
So really it looks like the lay wins are the ones to focus on – and they were the original offering of the service after all so perhaps that’s not surprising. And in fact they have recently “retired” the draw lays so in fact it is now just the win lays being provided.
Combining the results of the lay wins this time with those of last time gives a combined total of 44 points profit, which is pretty good going when you consider you are laying at 1 point level stakes.
The strike rate for our trial was high at just under 80% and the ROI respectable too at 7%.
So in view of all that we think the service warrants a PASSED rating, particularly if you just focus on the win lays.
They have shown consistency over a lengthy period of time and that is what we look for when judging a service. Making a profit through laying is notoriously difficult so we are always impressed when a service manages it.
The added bonus with Football Advisor Lays is that you can place all the bets on Betfair and don’t need to rely on bookie accounts.
All in all then it is a service well worth considering adding to your portfolio.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: A very simple service to use and that is certainly a plus point. There is an average of just one bet per day, although this tends to work out as having lots of bets at weekends and then some weekdays and international breaks with none. Tips are normally sent out early in the morning (UK time) and you will need access to an exchange (e.g. Betfair, Smarkets) to place the lay bets.
Availability of prices: Most of the time the liquidity held up well, certainly in the big leagues like the Premiership and La Liga etc, although sometimes prices do get pushed in on the smaller leagues.
Strike rate: The strike rate during the trial was 79%, which is good but actually lower than the historical average for the service which stands at 86% according to their results.
Advised Betting Bank: An 80-100 point bank is advised for following the service, which should be more than sufficient to cover losing runs. The longest draw-down to date has been 21 points.
Subscription costs: The costs are £50 per month, £125 per quarter, £225 for 6 months or £400/year.
OVERALL VERDICT: PASSED
This is a re-review of Football Advisor Lays after having reviewed it last year and we are pleased to report that after a second look we are upgrading this from a neutral to a PASSED rating.
With a combined profit of 44 points across our two reviews when betting on the win lays only, this has established a strong record over a lengthy period of time and clearly has an edge on the markets when it comes to laying.
So if this isn’t already part of your portfolio then you may well want to consider adding it at the earliest opportunity.
[Please note there are two tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet for their two separate systems – the win lays and draw lays].
The broad numbers don’t tell the full story however, as the win lays are 22 points up for our trial, whilst the draw lays are actually 11 points down.
Just a reminder that this is a laying system where you place the bets on Betfair (or your exchange of choice). There is no trading needed – just place the lays and then leave them.
Anyway, let’s hope for some upward progress by the time of our next update.
[Please note there are two tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet for their two separate systems – the win lays and draw lays].
The broad numbers don’t tell the full story however, as the win lays are 27 points up for our trial, whilst the draw lays are actually 15 points down.
So it’s looking like the win lays are the ones to follow based on the results of our trial to date, but we will obviously keep a close eye on things to see if that remains to be the case.
[Please note there are two tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet for win lays and draw lays – although the draw lays appear to have been paused for the moment].
It’s nice when you get runs like this in lay betting, with 12 of the last 13 selections successful since our last update, so the profit builds nicely.
Let’s see if that continues once the football season kicks off again in a couple of weeks.
[Please note there are two tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet for win lays and draw lays – although the draw lays appear to have been paused for the moment].
There have been a few selections for the World Cup but it has been a bit of minefield for punters with so many surprising results so far.
Anyway, let’s hope Football Advisor Lays can back to winning ways by the time of our next update.
However, that doesn’t tell the whole story as there are two sets of lays – win lays and draw lays (which you can view via the two tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet) and the former have done very well, with 13 points won, whilst the latter have lost 7 points.
That is in tune with the longer-term trend as well, with the win lays having made 282 points profit, whilst the draw lays are much newer and have made just 9 points profit overall.
So it looks like the win lays are the ones to concentrate on here.
Anyway, with the season over it is going to be a little quiet now until the World Cup starts when we should see plenty more action.
Following on from launching our review of FA Racing Lays last week, today we are turning our attention to another Football Advisor service.
This is one we actually reviewed last year and gave a neutral rating to after it finished our trial with a profit of 7 points.
However, given that we will now be taking a look at all the Football Advisor services, we thought it would only be fair to take a look at this one again too.
Plus when we did our original review last year, they apparently had an issue with the ratings they use and that negatively affected the results during our trial.
So we are happy to take another look at this one and to do a re-review of the service.
Just to recap, these are lay bets on football matches (both in the win market and draw market) across various leagues.
You just need to lay the bets on Betfair (or your exchange or choice) and that is it, you are done.
The results for the service look excellent, with over 50 points profit made since our trial ended in October and 283 points profit made overall since the service started.
That has come with a strike rate of over 84%, so a very high proportion of successful lays.
We are looking forward to trialling this one and to seeing how it gets on. As usual results will be recorded here for you to check.
We originally reviewed Football Advisor’s main backing service back in September last year and gave it a neutral rating after it ended our trial with 8 points of profit.
Now we have just finished trialing their football lays service and we feel like we are repeating ourselves somewhat, but the results have been remarkably similar.
After a three month trial we have finished with 7 points of profit, which again isn’t bad by any means and we are happy to finish any trial in profit to be honest.
The strike rate was a healthy 75%, so the vast majority of lays are successful.
The return on investment (ROI) was a little on the low side at 1.7%. Although you expect ROI to be much lower with laying services than backing ones, we would still like to have seen that ROI a little higher.
The bets are straightforward lay bets in the match odds market and come in a variety of leagues across the world.
So for example you will get an e-mail like this:-
Lays Bristol Rovers at 4.30 with Betfair (League One / Portsmouth)
It is then very simply a case of placing a lay bet at your exchange of choice and then you are done.
Looking at how the trial progressed, it started off well before hitting a very sticky patch in the middle. Apparently they had a technical issue with the ELO ratings meaning they were producing the wrong selections for a part of August.
Once they revised their selection process it certainly seemed to pay off, with a run of 20 straight successful lays at the end.
As you can see from the graph below, it was a roller-coaster ride!
In total we ended up with bank growth of 9% by the conclusion of the trial, which is a respectable total.
But it didn’t quite hit the heights necessary to warrant an approved rating, so for the time being we feel a NEUTRAL rating is fair for Football Advisor Lays.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: A very simple service to use and that is certainly a plus point. There is an average of just one bet per day, although this tends to work out as having lots of bets at weekends and then some weekdays and international breaks with none. Tips are normally sent out early in the morning (UK time) and you will need access to an exchange (e.g. Betfair, Smarkets) to place the lay bets.
Availability of prices: Most of the time the liquidity held up well, certainly in the big leagues like the Premiership and La Liga etc, although sometimes prices do get pushed in on the smaller leagues.
Strike rate: The strike rate during the trial was 75%, which is good but actually lower than the historical average for the service which stands at 86% according to their results.
Advised Betting Bank: An 80-100 point bank is advised for following the service, which should be more than sufficient to cover losing runs. The longest draw-down to date has been 21 points.
Subscription costs: The costs are £47 per month, £112 per quarter or £188 for 6 months, which if the pre-trial results were repeated would be a fair cost.
OVERALL VERDICT: NEUTRAL
We tend to like services that are simple to follow and don’t rely on complex methodologies, ratcheted staking systems or wild hype to justify their existence, so we were looking forward to trialing Football Advisor Lays, which provides simple lay bets in the match odds market.
It is a very simple service to follow and the results prior to our trial looked mighty impressive.
In the trial itself, a profit of 7 points was made, which isn’t bad at all but we feel wasn’t quite high enough to warrant an approved rating, so we are giving it a NEUTRAL rating at this stage.
Given that our trial started in the Summer months when there are less fixtures and taking into account the way things picked up towards the end with a 20-match winning streak and the pre-trial results, this is a service we would like to keep an eye on as to whether it warrants an upgrade.
It could have actually been much better as they were on a run of 10 winners in a row before they just hit a couple of losers at 5.2 and 4.6.
After the bad spell at the end of August, they had a look at their selection process and concluded:
“The custom team ratings that we use as part of our multi layered selection criteria is a bespoke adaption of the ELO rating model. Regretfully there were some issues with combining the end of season rating with the new season rating, which resulted in what we saw for the last two weeks.
The good news though is that we are confident that we have now fixed this and we have run 100’s of simulations to test this to be sure.”
Results seem to be trending in the right direction, so let’s hope they have sorted things!
Jon who runs the service has apologised for the recent run, which is appreciated as a subscriber – certainly lots of tipsters don’t even bother saying sorry for a poor run. He is also taking a few days off to review the recent results and see where things have gone wrong.
Hopefully he will find the solution and be back on form shortly.
This is a service that advises lays in the match odds market on Betfair. Odds can be quite high, up to 9.0 so far, meaning a decent sized bank is required when following the service.
It has been fairly quiet thus far in terms of bets as we have been in the off season, but with the season getting underway now we should volume pick up.
They say one good turn deserves another. So after recently launching a trial of a Football Advisor service (their racing one), we decided we would start another trial.
It is relatively new, having launched in November 2016 but has established a very favourable record since then.
They capped their initial membership at 50 and over 90% of those original members are apparently still with the 7 months on and for good reason;
– 226 bets since November 2016 – 191 winners at a strike rate of 84.5% – Average lay odds of 5.3 – 38.95 units profit after commission – Largest drawdown of 23.35 units – A record busting 35 winning lay bets in a row
The full 2016/17 season brought in 64.19 units at a similar performance level. Since 2013, their approach has apparently made over 211 units profit.
Now it isn’t a normal time to be starting a trial of a football system with it being the middle of Summer, but the service still has a good number of bets on the Summer leagues and we are only just over a month away from the start of the full season anyway.
We are yet to find too many good laying services, but this one looks interesting so well worth running a review of in our opinion.
We will follow the bets for three months (or until we reach at least 100 bets) and will update results here regularly during the trial.
Draw Doubles is a service based around backing the draw in football matches. You can do this in doubles, singles, or both, depending on how much of a bank you want to allocate to each.
Rather than carrying out in-depth analysis of individual matches as John does for his other services Banker Bets and Value Picks, this system uses utilizes a highly sophisticated, software-based selection algorithm to identify the highest value opportunities to back the draw in football matches from leagues around the world.
Given the high regard we hold his other services in, we had high hopes coming into this trial. Sadly though, this one has ended up being somewhat disappointing.
The overall results are that the service finished 49 points down for the trial overall, which equated to a 25% loss of the bank and -4% ROI.
However, those results don’t tell the whole picture because it’s a very different story depending on whether you backed the singles, doubles, or both.
The results above are for both, but if you had backed just the singles the results would have been:
– Profit/loss: +1 point
– Strike Rate: 31%
– Bank Growth: 2%
And just the doubles would have been:
– Profit/loss: -50 points
– Strike Rate: 9%
– Bank Growth: -30%
So really the singles have done OK and it is just the doubles that have let things down. That suggests there is nothing wrong with the selections themselves, just the approach of backing them as doubles was overly risky.
This had been our concern at the outset of the trial and we had mentioned it a few times during the review.
The good news is that John is considering amending the service to focus solely on the singles, which seems like the right approach to us.
If that ends up being the way the service operates in the future, then we may well update this review and award a different rating.
For the time being though we have to base our verdict on the results achieved during our trial and with a loss of 49 points being made we have no choice but to award a FAILED rating unfortunately.
Service Breakdown
Ease of use: There are an average of 7 bets per day if you are backing all selections as singles and doubles, so a little bit of work is involved in following the service. However, it shouldn’t take too long to place the bets and the selections are sent out well before kick-off, usually early in the morning.
Availability of prices: One of the positive aspects of the service is that results are based on average odds, so you may well be able to beat the published results by using best prices and exchanges.
Strike rate: The strike rate for the trial was 20%, but that increased to 30% if just backing singles, where as the doubles had just a 9% strike rate.
Advised Betting Bank: A 50 point bank is advised for following the singles and a 150 point bank for the doubles, so combining both would mean a 200 point bank is advisable.
Subscription costs: The subscription costs are £6.95 for the first month then £37 per month, £87 per quarter or £277 per year.
OVERALL VERDICT: FAILED
To use a footballing cliche, this was very much a trial of two halves for Draw Doubles.
The single selections did OK, pretty much breaking even over the trial – and by shopping around for best prices you could have actually beaten the published results.
Sadly though the doubles had a very tough time, notching up a 50 point loss.
So on that basis it has to be a FAILED rating for Draw Doubles as subscribers would have suffered badly over the last six months backing all selections.
However, the service is considering switching to backing just singles and we think that is the correct approach. It would improve the strike rate, reduce losing runs and the bank needed and provide greater stability.
So if that’s the way it goes then we may well revisit our review here and update our findings.
But that doesn’t tell the whole story, as really it’s been the doubles that have been letting the service down, with 60 points lost so far compared to just 10 points for the singles.
So it’s conceivable the singles could still finish our trial with profit but realistically it would take something quite special for the doubles to do so too.
In any event it has been a little disappointing for this one and let’s hope we have some better news to report by the time of our next update.
Unfortunately it’s been a little bit of a tough run for football betting service Draw Doubles since our last update in early April, with 24 points lost in that time.
That means for the trial overall the service is now 56 points down overall.
Most of that loss however is from the doubles, which have lost 28 points for the trial overall, whilst the singles have lost just 5 points. As we have said before, following the singles is a lot less volatile.
We have come to the end of three months of trialling the service but have decided to extend things to see how this performs over the longer run. We are particularly interested in the singles as we think they could pick up and be a long term winner.
Extending the trial also allows us to run it to the end of the season which is a good time to wrap things up.
Breaking it down, the singles have been more the consistent performers and are now 11 points up for the trial overall, whilst the doubles have been much more up and down but are now just 4 points down after making a handy 33 points profit since our last update.
As we said before, it is a question of what kind of banks you have available to bet with as to whether you follow the singles, doubles or both.
They recommend a 50 point bank for singles and a 150 point bank for doubles.
Just to note that they are offering a free trial of sister service Banker Bets from 1st April for and also Premier Football Investments. Just click through to the “free trial” option in the top menu bars on each site.
Sadly there’s been a bit of a downturn for football betting system Draw Doubles, with 30 points lost since our last update.
However, virtually all of that loss has come from the doubles which are now 37 points down for the trial, where as the singles have held their ground and are still level for the trial overall.
This is perhaps not surprising and we had warned at the start of the trial that betting on the doubles would be much more risky and expose you to some potentially long losing streaks.
For our part we would probably just follow the singles as they will have a higher strike rate and less volatility, although you may of course be able to withstand greater volatility, so it is each to their own as they say.
Anyway, a shame that the doubles have had a tough time as we had high hopes for this service, but there is still time to turn things around.
* Please note at the bottom of the results spreadsheet there are two tabs, one for the singles and one for the doubles.
The main losses have been on the doubles, with 13 points lost since our last update and they are now 8 points down overall, where as the singles are half a point in profit.
That is the nature of the beast though, as the doubles are always going to be more risky and have some losing streaks along the way.
It is worth stressing again though that you can often beat the advised odds by shopping around, so you may well do quite a bit better than the published results.
*Please note at the bottom of the results spreadsheet there are two tabs, one for the singles and one for the doubles.
It’s been a good start to our trial of football betting system Draw Doubles, which is a combined 8 points in profit so far adding together both the single and double bets.
That breaks down as 3 points profit for the singles and 5 points profit for the doubles.
Please note at the bottom of the results spreadsheet there are two tabs, one for the singles and one for the doubles.
When following the service you can bet in doubles, in singles, or both, depending on how much of a bank you want to allocate to each.
If you are following the doubles then you will need a bigger bank as the losing streaks will be longer. John who runs the service recommends a 50 point bank for singles and a 150 point bank for doubles.
Anyway, good to see this off to a positive start and let’s hope it continues.
For our first new trial of 2018 here at Honest Betting Reviews we are going to take a look at a football betting system with a slightly different approach to most footy services.
The service in question is called Draw Doubles and it comes from John Baker, the same man behind Banker Bets, one of the first footy systems we approved here on the site and more recently, Value Picks, which also received an approved rating.
As you have probably guessed from the name, this is about betting on the draw in football matches. You can do this in doubles, in singles, or both, depending on how much of a bank you want to allocate to each.
Rather than carrying out in-depth analysis of individual matches as John does for the Banker Bets and Value Picks services, this system uses utilizes a highly sophisticated, software-based selection algorithm to identify the highest value opportunities to back the draw in football matches from leagues around the world.
The results so far look very impressive, with over 100 points profit made since October 14th by backing both the singles and doubles.
That equates to a return on investment of over 17% and a return on capital (bank growth) of over 50%.
If you had backed the selections just as singles, then you would have made 36 points profit, which is a return on capital of over 70%.
And if you had backed just the doubles, you would have made 74 points profit and a 49% return on capital.
So all of the approaches have been nicely profitable and are worth considering as a way to back the selections.
We are big fans of John’s other services so we are looking forward to trialling this one and seeing if it can match their results.
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